I didn’t have any teachers. I didn’t have any textbooks. There was not much online to read about it. But I felt an urge and a call within me that uh each new moon that was my kind of download. I’m going to hold the circle and I took it very seriously and I used to prepare for it and I would even write scripts of what I going to say and how it will be connecting. I would prepare rituals. I would like you know be so thorough in it. And of course uh when the circle happens and everyone comes I’m sitting there and thinking what not to miss and I couldn’t really listen. So probably throughout the first year it was very hectic for me and very stressful and when I’m stressed I’m tight and I cannot really flow anything. So it was it was there um uh teaching me how to really relax and uh we introduced uh at some point the talking stick ritual through the Native American tradition. So whenever the stick comes to your hand, that’s when you talk not uh together at the same time. So that really helped us to learn how to listen. And so the rule now in the circle is when the stick comes to your hand, that’s when you talk. And there’s not uh there’s no permission for you to think about what you’re going to say while other people talking. So you really have to listen. So this way um preparing and stressing about something that comes in a flow is really a skill that came this practice with a lot of humor with a lot of understanding of how to start flowing as above so below the jewel is in the flow.